Dan Moyle 0:08
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George Thomas 0:37
Hey sprocket tears It's your boy George B. Thomas. We're back with another episode of the 15 minute strategy podcast and I'm super excited because well I am digitally sitting next to my boys zacky b Zack Mazur, and Zack before we dive into sales and video and getting all sorts of nerdy together for the next 15 minutes, why don't you explain to the sprocket talk viewers and listeners who you are What you do and where you do it?
Zach Basner 1:02
Yeah, man. So yeah, my name is Zack, I work for a company called impact. We're a digital sales and marketing company, we help companies get better results, traffic leads and sales. We specialize in consulting and training, which means that we help companies become the masters of their own destiny with their sales and marketing programs, which is unique in the space. But it has afforded me the opportunity to work with a lot of businesses mainly around their video strategy, how they're leveraging video and sales, how they're leveraging video for marketing purposes. And it's taken me down a journey of, you know, helping organizations hire videographers train those videographers and get on to really be the best visual educators in their space. And it's been a cool journey because I get to look back on these clients and they did the work, they did the stuff, they feel differently about it. And I just happened to be a, you know, a part of that journey with them. And so I think I have the best job in the world. Yeah Zack
George Thomas 2:01
Eb, let's call it what it is you are able to be a catalyst to help them get to a place where they're trying to go. And you know, it's a little Trivial Pursuit note here I'll give you on the 15 minute strategy podcast. Zach and I were doing video before video was cool. The first video we ever created was back many many moons ago for a church and a youth service that we're creating and boy was it kind of crazy and kind of ugly but kind of cool at the same time. And it's it has been fun to watch Zack at your journey in teaching people video, my journey teaching people video and everything that's been going on but you've been really honing in on this area of sales, leveraging video and I don't want to call it a tactic or a strategy but I want you to talk about maybe unpack why it's important. Why now why sales why video?
Zach Basner 2:55
Yeah, I mean, yeah, so why are we having the conversation now where we weren't having the sales video. conversation, you know, just five years ago, right? So I'm gonna walk you through a scenario, which we've all been in before and how we react now as buyers as consumers. So you walk into a hardware store or an electronics store or something, you're standing there, you're trying to figure out what you need. You're looking at all these products, and then this person comes up to you know, they're wearing that bright Polo. And they say one simple thing to you, Hey, can I help you? What's our reaction? In that moment when they ask us this simple, can I help you? Well, typically, it sounds something like, Oh, you know, I'm just browsing. I'm just browsing. I'll come find you if I need. You know, the funny thing is, you can never find them when you need them. I'm not sure why that happens. But this is a scenario we've all been in before. So the question is, why do we react that way? In that situation, we weren't taught that in school. Our parents didn't teach us Hey, if someone comes up to you and tries to help you in a retail environment, tell him to buzz off. That is something that we learned Cuz we've been pitched we've been pressured we've been sold to and and it could have only happened to us one time. But that one time changed the way that we looked at salespeople. And so where does video come into this? Well, video is the only type of content that allows these prospects to see us to hear us and know us before we see hear and know them, and therefore start to build this, this great thing that we call trust. And the more we can do to break down this barrier, this natural guard that we know comes up with our prospects and customers. If we can use video to break that down Well, they're well on our way to building trust and changes the outcome of sales conversations that we have.
George Thomas 4:45
Zack, it's funny because when I hear you tell the story, which it's a great story, by the way, when when I when I personally have had those moments, it's because I inherently don't feel and I don't mean in like a weird way but I don't feel safe. Like I don't know If I can get away, right from that person wearing that nice mocker whatever they're wearing, you know, it's brightly colored. Here's the thing though. I agree with you the video is like, yeah, they can get to know us. But But here's the thing and I want you to dive into, do you feel like salespeople can still jack it up with video Meaning, if you're pitching, wearing your smock in a brick and mortar, and you just take and you try to rinse and repeat that and pitch on video, what do you feel the results are? And maybe along with that, what are some things that the sales reps can do as they start to create these videos that allow the consumer to know like and trust them and not feel unsafe? Because in this world in the digital world, when they start to feel unsafe, it's super easy. I hit the stop button. I hit the close tab, you know x there. So talk us through maybe the mindset, the digital shift communication that needs to happen when they embrace this.
Zach Basner 6:03
Yes, of course, if you say there's incredible opportunity to build trust, with video, you also have to accept that there's also incredible opportunity to break trust at the same time, right, the stakes are high. So if you think about the intention behind this, if if you really want to be a business, if you believe you're, you're in the business of trust, as we all are, and you really want to have a great relationship with prospects, and you want them to trust you, and you want them to have less objections and all these things and have this great relationship, then you can't, you know, the fruits and your behavior aren't mutually exclusive, your behavior is going to lead to the fruit, you can't just want the fruit and it's gonna happen. So, you know, I'll steal something from you, George, which is we have to be helpful we have to be human. Right. So if we really, if we take a look at video on how it can create this opportunity for us, then we have to figure out what that means we're going to have to do that means we're going to have to obsess over the way that the buyers think arrive to adjust to that. And, you know, I paint that picture that scenario, because we have to understand that Yeah, there is going to be a guard up there. And so our role is to is to break that barrier down. So how do you do that? Well, you figure out what are their fears? What are their worries? What are their concerns? What can I do now, to alleviate that problem for them, and earn that trust? And as far as the way you do that, it's, it's happens inside your head before it comes out of your mouth, right? You have to make a conscious decision that, you know, I get it. I'm in the business of trust and not gonna let anything stand in the way of me earning that trust. And if you really think to yourself, like what does a really trustworthy company in my space really look like? What does a trustworthy salesperson in my space look like? What do they do? What do they say? What do they think? How do they act? And then you have to take steps towards becoming that if you want to be a leader. And trust authority in the space if you want to be a leading and trusted salesperson at your organization, you have to think well what is someone like that actually do
George Thomas 8:09
and I love that like you have to you have to become trustworthy. You have to map your actions your personality your the things that you do too Lang that roadwork to kind of get that way. Second, I'm super interested when when you finally get your moral compass, if you will, and you're like, Hey, I'm gonna be a good salesperson and and be the, you know, the good side of the Force instead of the dark side of the Force. What are some things inherently you've seen that have helped salespeople that they should have in the videos or maybe a cadence of things in a way that they would do that so that they're delivering something that the consumer the prospect the lead actually enjoys? and wants more of? versus feeling like they're buying the entire cow for like 20 minutes the first video out?
Zach Basner 8:58
Yeah, yeah. So the tangible things that you might actually say and do. And it really comes down to having a willingness to discuss the things that no one else is willing to discuss. So those are things like, not just talking about all the things that are great with your company or with your product or with your service or with your people, but also talking about the cons, being willing to say when you're not a great fit for someone or when you're not, and when that one product might not be a great option, you know, this is your budget line, you might want to go with something else if you're looking for this type of outcome, but being the one who who's willing to say, you know what, we're not for everyone. This product isn't for everyone, but you might be a really great fit if you fit these criteria. But oftentimes, as as sales, folks, you know, we're, we want to help I believe that we do have good intentions, we want to help we want we want to serve as many people as we can and we want people to buy our stuff but we only focus focus on the good. And we oftentimes don't talk about bad times, it would be a bad fit times, you wouldn't be a great fit for something. And so we're going to discuss pros and cons good and bad. These are things that will help that guard come down as well. Being willing to say, you know what, this might not be a good fit for you if, and not only will the guard come down in many cases, but when people are a great fit, you build the relationship much stronger.
George Thomas 10:30
It's funny, I hear you're saying be trustworthy. And then now I hear and be honest, no matter if it pays the bills or not. Right. So those are two huge things. I think if you can find the third layer in there, and that is being empathetic and actually coming at the conversation like you've walked a mile in their moccasins, from their perspective, instead of yours, those two things become very easy. Zach, I am curious though, so the people are listening to this or watching this or like, I want To be I want to be trustworthy check. Yep, I'm an honest guy or gal check. You know, what's the next thing like, technically that now how do I create this personalized one to one video? How do I create this value add? How do I be a trustworthy and honest person and get it in front of people? How do you like to get them started if they're just fresh brand new?
Zach Basner 11:25
Yes, so two things and there's really there's a produced side of video in the, in the more one off, you know, one to one personalized video side of this and the first thing I'll mention on the produce side is there's something that we found that's been incredibly lucrative and incredibly impactful to the sales process before you even get into it. And that's a type of video that we call the 80% video and 80% video comes from a simple philosophy. If you look at your first sales appointment, your first meeting your first contact that you have with prospects are when they first become aware of your product and you Take yourself, what are the major questions that they always have? What are the major things that they're always concerned about? before they get to us? And you take those top five to 10 questions and address them individually, but also in one major video that we call the 80% video. So now you say what will be the result of that tech? Well, if you have this video that you could send to somebody before you have your first sales appointment, because you know, that's when those questions are going to come up. A few things gonna happen. One, you're going to improve the quality of that conversation because you're spending less time answering the same old questions and more time determining fit, ease and concerns, easing worries in that first sales appointment, you're also going to shorten it. Because since you're spending less time answering the same old questions, it's going to be a shorter meeting. And also, if that's a shorter meeting, that means the whole entire sales cycle is now shorter. If you ask any business owner or salesperson would you prefer to have a shorter sales cycle, about about 100% are going to say yes, we'd love that. So this ad Sent video for us and teaching companies to do this spin. One of the most effective types of videos that you can make that will immediately make a difference in revenue, a lot of videos that they take time to actually see any, any fruit from them. This is one you can use immediately. And it solves a lot of problems for sales. Not to mention, if you're the person who's not video, and you're the person that meeting with them. Now they've had the opportunity here, I know you. That's great. That's the produce side. And the other side is this one to one personalized video site. Again, this is something that we weren't talking about five years ago, because in order to do this, it would be a very lengthy process, you'd have to pull out your camera or like pull out your phone, record, the video uploaded somewhere dropping in an email, about 15 steps. It took a long time now the technology is here to make it very, very easy for us to do. And the biggest and most effective way to build trust with this one to one personalized communication, besides the fact that they can see here and know you is to start providing value, what are the things that you can communicate with assigned to them, we teach a process called assignment selling, which is essentially educating and informing a consumer before they have that appointment because a more informed, more educated consumer pokes less holes and more comfortable and more trusting. It exploits everything. It's good. It's a win win for everybody. But one to one allows you to say things like, hey, so we've got our meeting scheduled for next Friday. And I need you to do something for me, I have a small piece of homework that needs to be shortened due before we meet. And so I'm attaching this, you know, six page guide to buying a new dishwasher. Right? Let's just say I'm selling dishwashers, to buying a dishwasher. Now it's going to answer a lot of questions I know you have right now, like, what's the least or most serviced dishwashers? You know, how, how much do these things cost? What are the major problems with major brands? These are all things I know you're worried about right now. And I don't want you to make any mistakes. So Please, please, make sure you check this out before we meet, and your ability to assign and prompt somebody to take action in video, it's a lot easier to do them with text. So that's what one to one really can do in a lot of sales conversations.
George Thomas 15:15
Zack has a closing question, because you said something in that produce side of it. That was very interesting. And you kind of glossed over it of like, and if you happen to be the one in this video, yeah, talk to the folks who are listening and watching this the importance of your desire to want to be part of your produce sales videos and even be part of what might be the marketing videos moving forward. As a sales professional, your face your voice, your brand. What say you?
Zach Basner 15:47
Yeah, there's, I think I know why you asked me this question because there is resistance, in many cases to wanting to be on camera, which is totally natural, right? The big thing is that with video, this is just communication, right? It's, if you've been in sales for any amount of time, you probably a good communicator. The issue becomes where I think when people think, Okay, I'm going to be on camera, this is going to be a piece of my communication that is there and anybody can access it. And at any time, the fear of the unknown starts to set in, the imposter syndrome starts to set in. And we judge ourselves very hard. And we think that the world is out to judge us and what we say and how we act and what we do and what we look like. But in reality, our objective is not to be great on camera. Our objective must be that we need to be as helpful as we can. And this is a big thing of the imposter syndrome. If you were to sit somebody down and say, Are you the foremost expert in the world to talk about this thing? Well, first of all, maybe not, but how would we know? We wouldn't know? Right? There's no way to really prove that but doesn't matter. This is Does the buyer or consumer in this case, really care if you're the foremost subject matter expert? Or do they just want an answer? They just want somebody to tell them what they want to know. Be the one who's willing to tell them what they want to know, be willing to be the voice of trust, because I'm telling you the stories that I hear about the relationships that are built because they've been able to see somebody beforehand. They treat you now like you're a celebrity, they treat you now like you are the foremost subject matter expert in the world because they have the opportunity to see you first.
George Thomas 17:29
Exactly. This has been great. So if people have questions, the viewers and listen the sprocket tears have questions on one video, the produced video, how they can get involved, maybe the technical side of this, where do you want to send them?
Zach Basner 17:44
Yeah, I mean, we have a lot of content on our site at impact impact bnd.com we have a lot of really great pillar content as well. So we go really deep on this video stuff. A great place you know, check out our YouTube channel film school for marketers who have Facebook group from film school for marketers is closed exclusive to in house video professionals great place to drop questions and you know, you can always hit me up on LinkedIn. But if you have one to one video questions you can hit up your boy George Thomas. He's got a lot of stuff too.
George Thomas 18:13
That's funny. All right. Well let's Rocketeers. Here's the thing, focus on a business of trust. Focus on being honest, focus on hitting that record button and adding value into the world. And we'll see you on the next episode.
Dan Moyle 18:26
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About the Expert
As IMPACT’s Director of Video Training and Strategy, Zach Basner trains the sales and marketing teams of clients around the world. As a result, Zach has trained more than 70 videographers, and directed and reviewed hundreds of hours of video. Many of his clients have quickly become the most dominant media companies in their industry.
Zach is also a highly sought-after speaker and consultant. He has a singular talent for inspiring audiences (both large and small), while teaching them how to create high-quality video content in-house and eliminate the learning curve
Dan Moyle 0:08